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Use Of Legal, Synthetic Pot Called The Equivalent Of " Playing Russian Roulette"

Seeded on Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:08 AM EDT
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It's known as K2 or Spice, a synthetic substance that, when smoked, gives users a marijuana-like high, according to drug authorities. Its growing popularity is causing increasing alarm among health care professionals, law enforcement authorities and lawmakers, with one Drug Enforcement Agency official calling its use the equivalent of "playing Russian roulette."

Manufactured in Asia and sold online or in local stores, K2 and similar substances are marketed as herbal incense. A disclaimer on a K2-selling Web site reads: "K2Herbal products are novelty incenses and are not for consumption."

Sold in various flavors in 3-gram bags, the product consists of herbs that are sprayed with synthetic substances that mimic THC, the high-causing natural chemical found in marijuana.

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"According to Dearden, additional side effects can include panic attacks, hallucinations, delusions, vomiting, increased agitation and dilated pupils.

Around the center, Lopez said his employees have begun referring to the substance as "Scary Spice."

Earlier this month, Kansas became the first state to ban synthetic marijuana.

Kansas state Sen. Jim Barnett, a supporter of the effort, said the ban was prompted by reports of abuse of K2 and similar products in cities across the state among high school students and prison parolees who were using it as an alternative to pot to avoid a positive drug test."

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:10 AM EDT
AdipicAcid

Yet these are the same folks who whine about "invasive government" in the healthcare field?

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:37 AM EDT
Zoolopolis

"According to Dearden, additional side effects can include panic attacks, hallucinations, delusions, vomiting, increased agitation and dilated pupils.

So that's what the Teabaggers have been smoking.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:12 AM EDT
oldstreet

And you thought that there was actually tea in the tea bags!

    #1.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:33 AM EDT
    michelle maria

    and here i was almost positive it was plain ol' stupid in those tea bags.. i just couldn't figure out how they managed to capture it, condense it and stuff it in a bag! :( but now the truth is revealed!

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
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    Arthur Digby Sellers

    It's not synthetic marijuana. It's something different, it's a blend of herbs and spices. Your headline is a tad bit misleading, John.

    However, it is comforting to see that our government's typical knee-jerk reaction to outlawing substances as soon as they appear hasn't changed a bit.

    < /sarcasm>

    • 11 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:34 AM EDT
    JohnRussell

    The headline is based on the wording at Slate.

    • 2 votes
    #2.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:40 AM EDT
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    Jake-413451

    For those who don't know it is not just some herbal mixture. It is a mix of herbs, which would do absolutely nothing, except maybe make the user cough, if it was not also sprayed with a chemical developed by a researcher for pharmaceutical companies who wanted to do research on THC and how it works with the human body but couldn't because of the prohibitions against it. So rather than synthesizing THC he made a chemical equivalent. It isn't THC, heck in some ways it is like THC plus when one considers binding time with certain receptors.

    It is a form of Russian roulette though because it isn't THC, it is some chemical that people are brewing up and others are smoking up. there is a reason the packets are labeled incense and such, since its a new, previously unknown, and certainly untested drug . It helps avoids liability when some person who has been smoking it develops a massive tumor in their lungs.

    There is always the chance it will do nothing harmful at all, but since no one actually knows it isn't exactly smart to start blazing up.

    • 2 votes
    #2.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
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    USA4Him

    wow, this is crazy how people will abuse just about anything they can. I have MS and in my state legal marijuana is allowed, I do not know how to inhale, and even if I did I would not want to smoke pot in my house, since I have 2 young boys.

    Anyway, good article john!

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:02 AM EDT
    JohnRussell

    You can't stop people from wanting to get high, it is human nature. Legalizing it and sanctioning it with society's approval is a different matter.

    When I was a kid drinking cough syrup to get high was just getting started. We thought it was the greatest thing in the world because it was legal and there was no threat from law enforcement. Of course some kids had bad trips and I'm sure a few died from bad overdose reactions to the active ingredient, but we didn't care. I suspect the same attitude prevails today.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:44 AM EDT
    Door King

    I tried it. It had some marijuana like affects, but overall was unpleasant.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:17 AM EDT
    michelle maria

    if they'd just legalize weed.. this wouldn't be an issue. :P

    • 8 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:21 AM EDT
    theRightisWrong-1420179

    Noted and seconded!

    I thought almost all states were trying to find a way to increase tax revenue.....it kinda looks to me like they aren't really trying! Just legalize the real stuff, same rules and regulations as alcohol, and it would head off all this synthetic kill-you crap.

    • 4 votes
    #6.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:11 AM EDT
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    steveoutdoorrec

    People will get high no matter what the law says as we found out with prohibition, huffing, cough syrup drinking, and pot.

    I'd have to agree that there is a danger of inhaling contaminants along with the product but who's to say what is really in a blend of spices to begin with? If it's not listed for consumption there is no regulation to put an ingredient list on the label.

    All the more reason to legalize marijuana and let people grow for their own use.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:28 AM EDT
    mtpromises

    free the weed.........problem solved

    • 7 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:51 AM EDT
    medicating

    Anyone who allows anything synthetic into their bodies is asking for trouble. Perhaps the drug companies various over the counter and perscription drugs for sale give some the erronious impression synthetics are ok and safe.... in whatever form. Legalize pot. Buy local. You know what you get.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#9 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
    AdipicAcid

    Anyone who allows anything synthetic into their bodies is asking for trouble

    Overgeneralize much? Peach pits are perfectly natural, as is rattlesnake venom, salmonella, and botulin.

    • 2 votes
    #9.1 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
    medicating

    Overgeneralize? No. Synthetics have too many side effects and should be avoided whenever possible. Natural is a better way to go. I suppose common sense tells us not to ingest some natural things that have proved to harm us such as certain things you list.

      #9.2 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
      AdipicAcid

      So you use willow bark for pain and do not take aspirin? Eat moldy bread when you have a sinus infection instead of taking an antibiotic? Do you skip vaccinations?

      You are overgeneralizing, I'm afraid. As Mencken famously said "for every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." "Avoid all synthetics is an example of such a policy.

      • 2 votes
      #9.3 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:02 PM EDT
      klm-547227

      medicating didn't say all things natural are okayand safe , but made a broad statement over synthetics. There is a difference. I will concede some things synthetic might be okay, MIGHT, but natural is probably often preferable. Many of our good pharmaceuticals have come from naturally occuring subtances that are toxic but used correctly and sometimes modified they can be good.

      • 1 vote
      #9.4 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:04 PM EDT
      AdipicAcid

      Many of our good pharmaceuticals have come from naturally occuring subtances

      And the synthetic versions are often far, far more effective. Just the fact that a "natural product" has varying amounts of the active ingredients makes dosage problematic for them. A synthetic has a repeatable, known amount of the active compounds. Thus aspirin blows away willow bark for headaches, even though the salicylic acid in the former is made in a chemical plant, and penicillin is far more effective than moldy bread, and has fewer side effects.

      It isn't a simple decision. I'd put synthetic vitamins on the opposite side of the equation, for example. All scientific evidence to date seems to indicate that it is far, far more effective to get your required vitamins and minerals the natural way, through diet, rather than by taking some synthetic pills. Weight loss is another area where "natural" treatments (eat less, eat right, and exercise) are far better than magic pills and potions (some of which claim to be "natural" I might add.)

      Note the quotes around "natural" above. It is quite apparent that in the dietary supplements area, there are snake oil salesmen selling "natural" cures that are far worse for you than traditional synthetics, and really aren't all that natural to begin with anyway.

      • 2 votes
      #9.5 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:13 PM EDT
      klm-547227

      Not necessarily. I have a friend with severe Lupus, she has a prescription for marinol, a prescription that contains THC, not only is it very difficult to find where she lives because many pharmacies don't want to carry it, the real thing- marijauna is far more effective and WAY cheaper.

      People definately need to consider safety when taking any drug, whether its an OTC, prescription, natural or synthetic. All can be abused and all can be dangerous, you should understand what you are putting into your body.

      • 1 vote
      #9.6 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT
      AdipicAcid

      marijauna is far more effective and WAY cheaper

      Got a double-blind clinical trial to back that up? I'll concede the cheaper part as obvious, but we are talking science when it comes to effectiveness, and that means you need to show rigorous evidence, not stories about your friends. Otherwise you are sharing an opinion, not facts.

      • 1 vote
      #9.7 - Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:14 AM EDT
      Arthur Digby Sellers

      AA, there are no double-blind clinical trials because people aren't allowed to conduct studies on marijuana because the DEA won't let anyone do it because it's an 'illegal druuuhhhg'. Stories about personal experience is all we have, and frankly I'll choose that over stories being pulled out of one's ass.

      • 1 vote
      #9.8 - Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:18 AM EDT
      AdipicAcid

      I understand and I back allowing those trials to move forward. Until, however, those trials are done, the claim that was made is unsupported and equivalent to a statement "pulled out of one's ass."

      I'm all for doing the science and letting the chips fall where they may. Just realize that the trials are likely to come down on the side of the more predictable synthetic, just as they have for almost every other medication in existence.

      • 1 vote
      #9.9 - Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:49 AM EDT
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      Door King

      The government should take over the drug business, and use the funds for health care. Two birds with one stone. So effing stupid to go on this way.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#10 - Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:50 AM EDT
      oldstreet

      Durn straight..... FDA approved mind altering substances for those who will pay for the nose for furrin @!$%#. Put america's money back in the social security fund.

        #10.1 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
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        Jason-632265

        Why would anyone smoke synthetic marijuana instead of real marijuana when it is so cheap and easy to get?

        • 1 vote
        Reply#11 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:04 PM EDT
        menmy2

        Right!! LOL!!

          #11.1 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT
          klm-547227

          The only logical reason is legality and drug tests.

          • 1 vote
          #11.2 - Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:43 PM EDT
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          anewday23

          Our penal system needs a major overhaul as it is and these petty drug laws aren't helping matters. The authorities will never be able to keep up with <a href="">k2 incense</a> and the like as it is ever-changing. Loads of places have <a href="">k2 herb</a> products that aren't forbidden under any current bans. It is bonkers the money and effort they are putting into these bans when apparently people can still legally <a href="">buy k2</a> smoke if they want to!

          

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