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Ageism Rears It's Ugly Head In Criticism Of The Who's Halftime Show

Mon Feb 8, 2010 12:59 AM EST
us-news, super-bowl, pop-culture, rock-music, the-who, age-discrimination
By JohnRussell
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I am so glad someone at the Super Bowl has enough sense or whatever it is that motivates them to put classic rockers on as the hafltime show of the Superbowl instead of the Britney Spears or Kanye Wests or Taylor Swifts of the world.

I have always been a big Who fan, although before tonight almost all that fandom is in my memory and in my CD collection. They haven't made new music of consequence in decades. So I was a little curious as to how they would do at haltime of the Superbowl. I thought they were great. The music sounded fresh, the playing was superb, and the whole 12 minutes seemed brimming with excitement and enthusiasm.

Then I looked at a few web sites featuring commentary on the 'concert' and found a bunch of criticism about them being 'geezers' and 'boring' and 'over the hill', and 'embarrassing' , along with what I expected to see, many really good reviews and comments.

I honestly don't think people can be objective about something like this, younger people believe rock music is for young people, and the very idea of a 65 year old playing ear splitting guitar notes is nauseating. Consequently, no matter how well the Who did tonight, ageism, musical ageism was going to be brought forth. It's a generation gap, as we used to say so often.

Is rock and roll a young man's ( and woman's) game?

I think entertainers hate to give up the spotlight, and do what they know. Crooners like Perry Como and Andy Williams were doing their thing well into their 80's. Sinatra came close, Tony Bennett is still performing pretty regularly. Why would anyone think it would be different for the Who and Mick Jagger and Santana and Mc Cartney?

This was so much better than having some pathetic rappers soiling the Super Bowl stage with their nonsense it's not even funny.

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JohnRussell

I will say that Roger Daltrey, only one of the greatest lead singers in rock history, seemed to have lost a little bit of his edge. He's still better than 95% of what passes for singing today though.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:04 AM EST
cnotebutbrokeDeleted
js-445607

I was raised on a variety of music and when Rock Around The Clock came out my dad thought it was crap. I raised my three children on music of all times and they thrived. I think many are music snobs in that anything other than what they like is awful. Is it a talent to love all music and understand the beauty and creativity of it? The music industry is cranking out new musicians at an amazing speed and most are very talented. I do, however, believe that music appreciation should stretch from age 0 to infinity and beyond. I'm old and I love seeing groups coming back on stage and doing their thing. As for the younger set I think we'll always have very superficial people unable to get beyond what the can relate to cause the other stuff confuses them...and those guys are old and wrinkly not hot anymore...that kind of stuff. Hopefully they will expand their consciousness at an appropriate time so they don't pass the music disability on their children.

    #1.2 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:29 AM EST
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    katrix

    When the windmill is just for show, and Daltrey can't hit the notes, they disappoint us. We remember what their talent was like and see a parody of it. I don't want to see twits like Britney ... I'm not sure what I think the halftime show should be. Certainly The Who was better than pop or rap (are any football fans into pop music?). Personally I'm into modern hard rock just as I've always been - I don't want to hear Baba O'Riley for the one millionth time, I like new bands instead of just listening to the stuff I liked in junior high. But it isn't that which made me not like the halftime show. The Who just doesn't have the talent they once did. You mention Sinatra - you also fail to mention how pathetic he was at the end when he didn't understand he had lost his talent to age.

    Santana? He still has it, but remember that he also brings in younger singers like Rob Thomas for his new hits. It's a lot harder to keep your voice than it is to keep your guitar talent (assuming you don't have arthritis).

    Call it ageism if you like. Just as a football player (or any athlete) gets dumped after his age affects his talent. Your age truly does affect your talent at some point, and The Who showed that today. And I didn't hear any ear splitting guitar notes from Townsend.

    So - the Who isn't relevant to the young fans, and many of the older fans were disappointed because this wasn't the Who that we remembered. The question is, what should they do at halftime? Classic rock probably is the least offensive for now, but as younger fans come on board, it won't cut it. And pop and rap turn all of us older people off because there is no music in it. It will be interesting to see what happens in future half-times, and we'll probably bitch either way.

    And you aren't giving new rock a chance if you truly think Daltry sings better than 95% of what passes today! There are some incredible artists out there, if you just get out of your "I want to hear what I've heard for the last 30 years" mindset.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:29 AM EST
    JohnRussell

    I try to listen to new bands when someone points them out for me, but I am usually disappointed. In general, music is not melodic anymore, it is show and posing. What band of today will be entertaining at the Superbowl 30 or 40 years from now? Cold Play?

    I do think though. that you have essentially validated the theme of my article. Ageism is a big reason why The Who will take some criticism about their show, much more so than what happened on the stage.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:38 AM EST
    TNLADY

    For some of us it was like a moment of truth. I'm the same age as they are and I suddenly realized that even if I still feel young at heart, I may not be carrying out the image of young at heart anymore. What a bummer!!! Besides, I didn't want to think about them aging like me. I still listen to their music and in my mind they are still the same age as they were. Make sense??

    You're right about the criticism being age related.

    • 2 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:58 PM EST
    js-445607

    I took my kids to all kinds of concerts and they love the "Old Guys". I have to admit I'm as old as the Stones but my daughter gave me a compliment by saying she thought the Stones looked like they had slept face down on concrete and that I looked a lot better than they do. This was a relief since I am her mother. I think we are as old as we feel and I wouldn't want to be any other age. I'm history...how about that?

      #3.2 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:34 AM EST
      TNLADY

      My nephews (mid 20's) keep borrowing my cds of the "old guys"!! I always find this funny.

      Being young at heart is more important than looking young, I suppose. While I may have a lot of history to my life...it's no where near finished!!

        #3.3 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:22 AM EST
        katrix

        After Wayne's World came out, my friend's son asked for a Queen CD. He almost died when I told him I bought that album when I was 13.

          #3.4 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:01 PM EST
          TNLADY

          I've somehow "lost" my Santana, Chicago and (believe it or not) my Elvis cds!!!

            #3.5 - Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:30 AM EST
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            The Spirit

            It isn't the music, it's the audience. When I first got into radio in the early 70s, anyone from The Who, to the Rolling Stones, to Roy Rogers, to Frank Sinatra could get into the Top 40.

            But kids these days are so narrow-minded, unsophisticated and downright stupid that any music other than their own will send them running screaming into the tall grass.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#4 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:46 AM EST
            WesternNY

            After watching this halftime show and reading the comments, I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what group or artist that performs. There are so many opinions, and musical likes and dislikes. Maybe they should QUIT using music as a filler for the halftime show. Stick with commentary and leave it at that. Live music no matter what just doesn't seem to cut it. It doesn't sound or look good for one reason or another. Maybe it's time for a change...

              Reply#5 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:30 AM EST
              JohnRussell

              One problem is that 'critics' of this insist on calling these performances 'concerts'. A 12 minute show is not a concert in the same way a two hour show is. I saw complaints that the Who performed a medley of some of their most well known songs, as if that were some sort of travesty. What else were they supposed to do?

              • 1 vote
              #5.1 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 7:23 AM EST
              JohnRussell

              Maybe they should QUIT using music as a filler for the halftime show. Stick with commentary and leave it at that.

              As a television viewer, I might agree with you. But the music at hafltime is for the people who have paid hundreds of dollars for tickets to the Superbowl, or the NFL and corporate bigwigs and honchos who are predominantly of an age that appreciates classic rock.

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              #5.2 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 7:52 AM EST
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              The SpiritExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              We could execute some terrorists during halftime.

                Reply#6 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 6:57 AM EST
                AlphaDogReporter

                I thought they did great, as did Tom Petty in 2008. At least there were no wardrobe malfunctions.

                One problem I could see is that there was a disconnect with the audience. The Who does not have universal appeal. But their performance was fine.

                  Reply#7 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 7:42 AM EST
                  JohnRussell

                  How do you detect a disconnect with the audience? It sounded to me like the audience was cheering the entire time.

                    #7.1 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 7:48 AM EST
                    RNoel-525230

                    How do you detect a disconnect with the audience?

                    I doubt the song "Pinball Wizard" connects with anyone under 30.

                      #7.2 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 8:48 AM EST
                      JohnRussell

                      I agree with that, but I thought Alpha was referring to the audience in the stadium reacting to the performance.

                      And the people who are actually watching the halftime show on TV are probably predominantly families and or older people. The young people are at bars or parties getting bombed, flirting, gossiping or starting arguments, you know, having fun.

                        #7.3 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 9:02 AM EST
                        RNoel-525230

                        You're probably right. I just think that many from my generation only know The Who songs from the credit sequences to CSI shows. One would think that the organizers of the halftime show could find a happy medium between Lil' Wayne and The Who to bridge the generation gap, though.

                          #7.4 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 9:16 AM EST
                          AlphaDogReporter

                          I didn't mean the audience at the stadium, they would have probably been wired no matter what group had been playing. The disconnect would be from not only a generation but a genre gap. The Who didn't even have universal appeal at their peak, I remember them from when I was younger. When Rock Opera Tommy originally came out, a lot of people thought they were nuts. Their lyrics are not for everyone.

                            #7.5 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 10:47 AM EST
                            JohnRussell

                            A lot of people thought the Beatles lyrics were nuts. The Who were definitely mainstream in their day.

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                            #7.6 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 11:07 AM EST
                            katrix

                            I don't think a band exists who will please everyone. I'm sure lots of people thought it was great when they had pop stars perform at the Superbowl instead of actual musicians. And those people have no clue who Tom Petty or The Who are.

                            It is a lot about personal taste, and that's what music is all about. Which is why nobody they pick is going to please us all, and we'll be having these conversations for the rest of our lives.

                              #7.7 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 9:16 PM EST
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                              Sgt. Pepper

                              It was a great show and the NFL did an amazing job with the set. Next year though; it's time to go modern. Coldplay would have been my top choice this year so if they can come out with another big single they should definitely be considered.

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                              Reply#8 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 10:32 AM EST
                              Brian Ford

                              Meh. I thought they sounded pretty damn good. The playing was excellent and Daltrey hit most of the notes, and came out with all the energy one would expect, and his scream was much more ferocious than I expected.

                              I'm a pretty big Who fan, though. I saw someone compare them (negatively) to the Rolling Stones which is @!$%#ing laughable given that Jagger sounds like utter dog@!$%# every time he opens his mouth to belt out a lyric.

                              I also saw someone complain about them but--with a straight face--say that Daughtry would have been a better choice. Eye roll.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#9 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 11:28 AM EST
                              JohnRussell

                              I had my surround sound on the TV cranked up and I was quite impressed. They actually sounded better than I was expecting. Townshend still has it.

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                              #9.1 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 11:45 AM EST
                              Kim-298921

                              Townshend still has it but I cannot forgive Daltrey totally botching Baba O'Riley. He ought to retire the song, or move it into the set where his voice is more warmed up.

                              I disagree on Jagger. He still pretty much has it.

                                #9.2 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:51 PM EST
                                Brian Ford

                                I disagree on Jagger. He still pretty much has it.

                                I don't get that at all. If what he has is still "it" I'm not sure that he ever had "it". I thought Baba O'Riley sounded pretty damn good, though not as good as the live version from the Royal Albert Hall a few years ago, but that had some kick ass punk violin at the end.

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                                #9.3 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 1:55 PM EST
                                Kim-298921

                                I don't know. It's entirely subjective, I'm sure. I just think Jagger is cool, has always been cool, will always be cool. I think The Who has always been more ...earnest... than the Stones. And a part of me likes that sly bull@!$%#ty naughtiness of Keith and Mick.

                                Which is not to say I don't seriously respect The Who too, especially Townsend.

                                Wish I'd heard the Royal Albert version with the punk violin. That would truly kick ass.

                                  #9.4 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:43 PM EST
                                  Brian Ford

                                  I think The Who has always been more ...earnest... than the Stones. And a part of me likes that sly bull@!$%#ty naughtiness of Keith and Mick.

                                  That's certainly interesting, given that I've always understood The Who to be one of the more playful bands of the era, the less melancholy band, etc.

                                  Here's the video.

                                  Notable: Pete Townshend yelling: "FUUUUCK OFFFF" after his vocal part. :)

                                  The whole concert is available on DVD. The whole thing is pretty great, with the one exception of a Bryan Adams cover of a song where he gets a lyric wrong. (In the extras, Townshend attempts to correct him, to no avail.)

                                  Eddie Vedder does a couple songs, though. It's pretty cool.

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                                  #9.5 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST
                                  Brian Ford

                                  Here's Eddie guest-singing on I'm One.

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                                  #9.6 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST
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                                  JAVE

                                  The teenaged wasteland was being roamed almost fifty years ago.

                                  The Who sounded good. They also sounded like they were in their sixties. They still make great music.

                                    Reply#10 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 2:27 PM EST
                                    going up

                                    I loved it! Absolutely could not stop grinning the whole time they played. They sounded fine.

                                    You could tell they were enjoying themselves----which is very cool.

                                    What a treasure they are! (I laughed when Pete's belly popped out!!!) I hope I can still get it on when I'm his age.

                                      Reply#11 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 4:06 PM EST
                                      Davy-755715

                                      Okay, I've been around for a while; but I thought they were GREAT! Dang, I guess for some people during their youth, ranting against older ones is normal. But it sure feels funny now that it's aimed at us, instead of being dished out by us, as it was in the past!

                                        Reply#12 - Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:36 PM EST
                                        scar_tissue

                                        Missing from the medley of their classic hits was My Generation. B/c guys that age can't belt out "hope I die b4 I get old" LOL

                                        They peaked with Who's Next but o what a peak it was.

                                          Reply#13 - Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:00 AM EST
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