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Where Democratic Race Was Hijacked By Race - and the smearing of Hillary Clinton began

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The delusions of his supporters not withstanding, the Obama camp has played the race card more than Clinton has.and to far nastier effect.

This sliming, which has done as much as anything to turn the nomination to Obama by both driving a monolithic black vote to Obama and enraging the white guilt driven egghead class so that they exclusively support Obama as well, began taking shape after New Hampshire.

At the time of the S.C. campaign, there were basically three Clinton statements that were widely attacked as being racially insensitive or insulting.

2 of the 3 were unfounded garbage designed to demonize the Clinton's with black voters, and the third was questionable and open to interpretation.

Clinton's comment about Martin Luther Ling and LBJ was perfectly acceptable as a response to the fact that Barack Obama's web site was specifically appealing to African Americans to vote for him. After New Hampshire, Obama realized he would need a huge black vote across the country to have a chance. Obama surrogates in the media began to plant the suggestion that a vote for Obama had historical significance and a black vote for Clinton would disrespect the legacy of the Civil Rights movement.

In a COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE effort to appeal specifically to black voters, Hillary Clinton reminded that a President led legislative efforts to enact Civil Rights legislation in the mid 1960's. I just watched the clip again, and she doesn't even say 'white' President. This statement is completely harmless. The worst thing you can say about it is that she self-servingly suggests that she could be the President to continue civil right s efforts. But after all, that's the whole point of all this isn't it? For these candidates to promote themselves for the office.

Immediately Clinton was attacked by the way way way too easily offended (rev Wright fans, no doubt), and the Obama campaign picked up on the theme - Hillary was disrespecting MLK.

This was, in my opinion, the critical moment of this entire campaign. Barack Obama was asked what he thought of this brouha. I was watching , specifically, to see what Obama would say. He had promoted himself as a 'new' brand of politician who would not engage in petty smears and innuendos. Obama had to know that there was nothing offensive in what Clinton said, and that the race grieving segment of the black population had misconstrued and distorted her meaning. Would Obama downplay the incident , as anyone should have, or would he use 'race' for political gain? Obama told reporters that Clinton's comment had offended many blacks and she needed to explain her statement further. At this instant, the die was cast. Innocent Clinton statements would be demonized and used to rile up black voters against Hillary, mainly through the compliant, in the tank for Obama, national media. This format has been followed time after time in this campaign.

The other remark that was entirely distorted was Bill Clinton's comment that Obama's anti-war stance was a"fairy tale", which was distorted to mean that President Clinton was saying that Obama's entire campaign, and indeed even that a black aspiration to the Presidency was a "fairy tale". It is difficult to imagine a more blatant twisting of somone's meaning that this one, and it again became a theme used in talking points by Obama surrogates with the media.

These were the points, along with Clinton's 'Jesse Jackson' comment. which is a little more open to interpretation than these first two instances, at which the Obama campaign amplified distortions made of the Clinton's comments and nurtured and grew this 'demonization' of the Clinton's on the subject of race which continues up to this minute.

We now have the bizarre situation where Barack Obama receives 95% of the black male vote , and 90% of all black votes, but the Clinton's are the ones who injected race into the campaign. Reality has been stood on it's head, and the Democrats are headed to disaster.

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{"commentId":1788248,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

Accusing Hillary's innocent comment about LBJ of being a put down of MLK is straight out of the Rev Wright /TUCC playbook.' Look for insult from whites everytime and anywhere you can. They are all out to get you.'

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  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun May 11, 2008 9:52 AM EDT
{"commentId":1789031,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

John, what's really ironic about all of this is the fact that the barons of the Congressional Black Caucus supported HRC initially due to the fact that most of them still didn't believe a black man could be elected as president regardless of political persuasion. There were also whisperings from some of the younger members that perhaps Obama wasn't "black enough", i.e., devoted to the agenda of the "civil rights industry" in the form of unwavering support for affirmative action, etc. It is astonishing to me that some Democrats would turn on the Clintons as racists by sensibly pointing out that the civil rights movement succeeded in no small measure because white politicians in both parties signed onto it. And when Bill Clinton made his remark about Jesse Jackson "also doing well" in South Carolina in 1988, Bill was only making a historically accurate comment that any candidate whose base of support was too narrow would be doomed in a national general election. How this comment came to be conflated with a race-based attack on Obama is simply jaw-dropping.

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  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":1789682,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

Bill

There is a school of thought that the Obama campaign deliberately chose a campaign strategy in which Hilary would be portrayed as a race baiter and chronically insensitive to the feelings and wishes of AA's. According to this reasoning, Obama realized early on that his best chance was a coalition of blacks, college kids, and the whites who suffered strongly from 'white guilt'. By constantly suggesting, in a low level way, that the Clinton's have 'race' issues, Obama could hype his black vote into the stratosphere and lock up the white 'liberal' vote for good. He essentially wrote off the 'white working class vote' with this strategy, as they would be less inclined to be incensed over the supposed racial insensitivities of the Clintons.

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  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun May 11, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
{"commentId":1789949,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

That would indeed make sense from a primary perspective in order to gain the nomination but I'm afraid John that in the end what doomed Hillary Clinton is what was hanging over her head before this campaign season even began and that is her high negatives going in. This explains why she wasn't able to gain any more traction than she was able to muster in the wake of the Wright imbroglio and the "bitter" remarks. I think she was also overconfident that she could vanquish the Sonofamillworker and Obama by staying centrist in the primary process which while helping her in the general if successful goes against conventional political thinking as to what's needed for a Democrat to gain the party's nomination in the new party of Dr. Dean, Nancy Pelosi (with whom it is rumored Sen. Clinton is not on the best of terms) and the Kossacks.

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  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
{"commentId":1789988,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

I don't disagree at all that Clinton misjudged the mood, and makeup, of the electorate, and she ran a bad campaign in some ways. I am talking about the racialization of it. The assumption is that it was Clinton's doing off of a prethought plan, but I believe just the opposite was true. It was always the Obama camp's intention to emphasize race and stick the topic to Clinton in some negative way.

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    #1.4 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1788385,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}

    I was going to try and be nice, but your comment above goes around the bend. You are essentially calling Obama a racist. This article is nonsense and misses the mark by a mile. Not only do you fail to cite any evidence, you misquote Senator Obama. Oh wait - you didn't misquote him, you just say he said something he didn't. No quotes (even though you say you were "watching, specifically").

    .' Look for insult from whites everytime and anywhere you can. They are all out to get you.'

    Amazing hypocritical arrogance here. You seem to decry this sentiment, yet you are saying the exact same thing about Senator Obama, and without one citation, reference, or quote. Are you saying this sort of bigotry is wrong coming from the Obama campaign, but perfectly fine when engaged in by you?

    Obama surrogates in the media began to plant the suggestion

    Are you just making things up here, or do you have some evidence? (why do I even ask)

    In a COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE effort to appeal specifically to black voters, Hillary Clinton reminded that a President led legislative efforts to enact Civil Rights legislation in the mid 1960's.

    I guess you are a 'black voter.' Thanks for telling us what is appropriate for us. Now can you tell us what is appropriate to appeal to the Jewish and Asian voters? It seems that, like Clinton, you know exactly what is best for all groups. They should just shush and do as they're told.

    The fairy tale comment was wrong itself, but as far as its meaning being twisted, that was the media.

    This article is a poor example of opinion writing. You could substitute one sentence, "Obama is a racist," and be done with it.

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    • 9 votes
    Reply#2 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1788535,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

    I beg your pardon. If you want to be associated with the Rev. Wright/TUCC view of the world, then you can construe that Clinton was being insulting to King in her comment to the Fox News reporter back in S.C. . I can put the link to Clinton's exact words up, no problem. If black people, apparently like you, want to take offense where there is none then you WILL be categorized with the paranoid and the race grievers. We are going to end the practice of accusing every white you don't like or agree with a 'racist' or 'racially insensitive', one way or another.

    I did not say Obama is a racist. I said the Obama campaign is the beneficiary of the smear that Clintons have 'played the race card' and have fed that line to the media for months now. When the MLK-LBJ comment was made by Clinton, and she was immediately attacked for it, Obama threw fuel on the fire by pretending that there was possibly something offensive about the statement, when he absolutely knew better.

    So much for him being a 'new' 'different' sort of politician.

    I am tired of the distortion of this issue of race baiting so that it accrues to Obama's benefit. If we had a responsible press in this country this would never happen.

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    • 3 votes
    #2.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1789066,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

    I would also add that it was an Obama mouthpiece in the form of the New York Times's Frank Rich who played the race card in one of the most perniciously historically inaccurate columns of this past year when he wrote The Grand Old White Party Confronts Obama following the Potomac primary and Obama's triumph in the Old Dominion by suggesting that until the Cook County Waterwalker crossed the Potomac and joined hands with Gov. Tim Kaine white Virginians were still mired in a genteel GOP culture of Jim Crow completely glossing over the fact that the former Byrd Democrat Gov. Mills Godwin created Virginia's community college system in the late '60s that is responsible for the advancement of a great many black Virginians and in the whopper of them all never even bothering to mention the historic election of Doug Wilder as governor in 1990.

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    • 4 votes
    #2.2 - Sun May 11, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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    {"commentId":1788398,"authorDomain":"dtagair"}

    Obama is a true oportunist and old style Chicago boss who will do and say anything to get what he wants. He now wraps himself in the flag which he once refused to have on stage with him and even played "God Bless America". Obama is very slick and knows how to play the voters.

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1788443,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

    You mean by performing all of the empty, photo-op tasks that every successful politician does?

    Why not criticize him for shaking too many hands or kissing too many babies? All of the things you listed are inherently empty things politicians do...like talking about god every chance they get, or demonizing homosexuals (when they're not in a public restroom). They're now, no different than a table of contents and a title for a book.

    So, had he not started doing flag stuff and god stuff, the criticism would be that he's not serious about being president, that he's not willing to do the necessary things that everyone else does, like shaving and bathing before a job interview.

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    • 6 votes
    #3.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":1788419,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

    Hmm, article starts with a blatant, racially inciting, empty attack on Barack Obama. The author then goes on to offer little to no defense of the attack. A reader is left to guess on how Obama was the first to "play the race card", was it by being black, I don't know, it wasn't discussed?

    But this is a particularly impressive piece of spin doctoring.

    Would Obama downplay the incident , as anyone should have, or would he use 'race' for political gain? Obama told reporters that Clinton's comment had offended many blacks and she needed to explain her statement further. At this instant, the die was cast. Innocent Clinton statements would be demonized and used to rile up black voters against Hillary

    .

    So, according to this, stating the effects a comment had on people and asking for clarification, is demonizing. This seems to suggest that anything less than a kowtow and performance of other obsequities to Clinton would be "playing the race card" or perhaps it means to suggest that it was Obama's job to clarify Clinton's statements.

    FWIW
    "Play the race card" is a bull@!$%# phrase. It should be avoided at all costs because it's inexplicit, dismissive, and, with few exceptions, cannot be used in a non-insulting way. Just like "politicizing" the term itself employs the exact tactic that it is trying to demonize or dismiss in its target. Which in tern renders the user (the piece's author) of the term MORE suspicious than the target (Obama) of the term.

    Now, the traditional use of the phrase is different. It describes a scenario where someone has played on other people's racism to gain advantage, for example "In South Carolina, George Bush played the race card against John McCain," (by implying that he had a black child outside of his marriage). This term does not impeach it's user, does not dismiss people, and only demonizes people insofar as they ought to be.

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    • 8 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1788619,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

    "She made an unfortunate remark about Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson," he said. "I haven't remarked on it. And she offended some folks who thought she diminished the role about King and the civil rights movement. " Barack Obama

    Here is Barack Obama, typically wanting to have it both ways, bringing unfair criticism to Clinton while pretending to be an objective observer.

    Clinton did not make an "unfortunate remark", she made a completely sensible appeal for black voters to consider her.

    If "some folks" were offended by a non-offensive remark, was it Obama's place to legitimize their 'offendedness'? This was pure and simple racial politics on Obama's part. Blatant race baiting, which was continued, nurtured and amplified in the ensuing days, weeks and months. All of Hillary and Bill's supposed 'race card playing' in this campaign doesn't amount to a hill of beans, yet we hear about it on almost a daily basis. How can that be?

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    • 2 votes
    #4.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1789133,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

    She didn't make an "unfortunate remark"? Was it fortunate? Her mark was to draw a distinction between practical politics and activism...she did it on or around a day celebrating perhaps the most important activist in American history and she did not make her point explicit enough to avoid being misunderstood by many people.

    "Unfortunate remark" is the most perfect and accurate way to describe her statement. The thing you may be missing is that, in a presidential race, a remark cannot be separated from its reception...as in, a "remark" is not just the words said, it is also the words heard.

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    • 4 votes
    #4.2 - Sun May 11, 2008 5:10 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1789616,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

    This is word for word what Clinton said in the interview in question.

    "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, that
    Presidents before had not even tried. But it took a President to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a President who said 'we're going to do it', and actually got it accomplished."

    Hillary Clinton did not bring up Dr. King out of nowhere. Barack Obama had recently made reference to Dr. King in this context - Clinton and Obama were sort of sparring for a few days over use of the word 'hope', with Clinton making the rather bland political 'charge' that Obama was offering "false hope" without the programs and experience to back up his lofty ideals. Obama countered that Clinton's opinion was cynical and made the point that what if Dr. King, on the day of his famous 'I Have A Dream' speech had said instead "we have no hope, we can't do it"? Obama went on to say that what was needed was leadership to go with the hope.

    This is the context of Clinton's answer to the Fox reporter. She was asked to comment on Obama's reference to Dr. King and 'hope'. Clearly, there is no slight in it to King or other black civil rights leaders, but rather she is saying there is a place for a President to provide the leadership in Washington to advance agendas like 'Dr. King's dream'. This was a harmless comment that was distorted by her political enemies and became the starting point for the endless smears she endured in this campaign.

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    • 2 votes
    #4.3 - Sun May 11, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1789828,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

    John

    You have made up your mind already and you refuse to look at why some people might not find it harmless. She was asked about hope and MLK and she talked about white men. It doesn't matter whether you feel the comment was harmless, for the record, I think the comment was harmless, but other people felt differently. Which is why I said this.

    "Unfortunate remark" is the most perfect and accurate way to describe her statement. The thing you may be missing is that, in a presidential race, a remark cannot be separated from its reception...as in, a "remark" is not just the words said, it is also the words heard.
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    • 4 votes
    #4.4 - Sun May 11, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1790092,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
    The thing you may be missing is that, in a presidential race, a remark cannot be separated from its reception...as in, a "remark" is not just the words said, it is also the words heard.

    When the 'reception' is ill founded and perhaps even maliciously intended, the remark MUST be separated from it's reception.

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      #4.5 - Mon May 12, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1792061,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

      maybe, but it never will in reality

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      • 1 vote
      #4.6 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1788758,"authorDomain":"bwells"}

      John, you have a pre-conceived notion and you are forcing Obama into it by any rhetorical means possible, facts be damned. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the statement Obama made that you highlight above. Clinton is no inexperienced politician and what you bemoan here, though a complete stretch of reality, is par for the course in her political playbook. The gas tax issue alone proved that Clinton is a panderer-in-chief and willing to do or say anything to fool us into electing her.

      What's that they say about noticing the spec in someone else's eye but not the log in your own?

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      • 5 votes
      Reply#5 - Sun May 11, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1788831,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

      For months, it has been repeated endlessly that the Clinton's played the race card in South Carolina, and the comments I mention are the exhibits of that. The demonization of Hillary Clinton carried on by the media and Obama surrogates is based on these supposed 'offenses' by the Clintons. What are these offenses? Smoke and mirrors. Supposed white'code' which is interpreted through the eyes of the 'racial grievance' community. This is Rev. Wright territory.

      Obama and his campaign grew this 'story' coming out of South Carolina and have been using it all along.

      I suppose all is fair in love and politics, but the victim throughout this process had not been Obama. Not by a longshot.

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      • 1 vote
      #5.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1788878,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
      The demonization of Hillary Clinton carried on by the media and Obama surrogates is based on these supposed 'offenses' by the Clintons. What are these offenses? Smoke and mirrors.

      Add some violins and that sad tune may play but it is wholly inaccurate. I am a New Yorker who had the Clintons arrive to foist their political futures upon us. Quite the contrary, Hillary has had more propping up by corporate media than anyone I can remember. I was sick of hearing about Hillary before she ever announced.

      There's been so much packaging and promoting of Hillary, I'd had too much over a year ago, It's Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Gag Me!

      I have been a critic of Hillary since the 9/11 recovery money started flowing to Carlyle and Romney's Bain Capital via nationwide Dunkin' Donuts franchises. I continue to criticize her as the Ground Zero recover workers die without health care for exposure to a toxic environment their government lyingly endangered them with.

      I am a fierce critic of the Clinton Administration sale of the strategic petroleum reserves and the promotion of Monsanto's hormone treated dairy, agroibusiness and genetically alterd crops. These issues predate any awareness of Barak Obama and will continue until the crooked corporate patronage system of which Hillary is a part are gone from my government.

      This can be twisted into a thousand claims but Clinton is an insider who will deliver more of the same. Some of us have just had more than enough of being robbed and lied to.

      Bush-Clinton-Bush- more of the same family dynasty isn't appealing to all.

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      • 6 votes
      #5.2 - Sun May 11, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1788901,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
      The demonization of Hillary Clinton carried on by the media and Obama surrogates is based on these supposed 'offenses' by the Clintons. What are these offenses? Smoke and mirrors.

      I have to laugh as I think of the biggest frauds of the Clintons with privatization of the petroleum reserves and the food crops. Yet even as food and fuel costs soar the mainstrem say not one word about the subjects. Regular, honest folks mistakenly believe she's a target when really nothing of merit is touched on lest the public get the sense of what a sales job this sham of politics is.

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      • 7 votes
      #5.3 - Sun May 11, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1789385,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

      Your comments have literally nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

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      • 2 votes
      #5.4 - Sun May 11, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1789929,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}
      What are these offenses? Smoke and mirrors. Supposed white'code' which is interpreted through the eyes of the 'racial grievance' community. This is Rev. Wright territory.

      Take a look: bigotry. You only have a right to be offended by what I say is offensive.

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      • 2 votes
      #5.5 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":1789176,"authorDomain":"ccumm512"}

      In my opinion, it was the Clinton camp that released the Wright tapes. HRC would do anything to smear Obama and give her a clear path. Her tone was clearly divisive and racist, as well as the tone of Slick Willie. The reality is, HRC is a woman scorned by 2 men. Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. She never expected she would be up against a viable and tough to beat candidate as Obama. After Bill publicly humiliated her, though she has never been surprised or upset about his philandering, she likely demanded Bill pay the price of the public humiliation by using his clout to win her the White House. Almost 8 years later, Bill's clout has diminished and Hillary was never as well liked anyway. She was delusional. HRC became a bitter, angry woman, not caring anything about what she said and how it was said, and eventually many blacks, rightfully heard tones of racism. The WH was never promised to HRC, as much as she seemed to think it was her turn. To say a majority of blacks vote for Obama because he is black, is as racist as it would be sexist to say only women vote for Hillary. Why is it, blacks cannot feel they are being racially targeted? If they do, whites are quick to shoot it down and then lay criticism of the audacity of claiming racism. Why do black owe Hillary Clinton loyalty, because of Bill's time in the WH? Some blacks would even say, Bill did nothing so great that its worth giving him or his wife a huge amount of credit. This is an election. A right to vote anyway you choose, regardless of race, or gender. No one has to live with their choice and the outcome of the Administration, but the voters who cast a vote for the winner. Voting is a right.....let us exercise it as we see fit.

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        Reply#6 - Sun May 11, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1789509,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
        In my opinion, it was the Clinton camp that released the Wright tapes. HRC would do anything to smear Obama and give her a clear path. Her tone was clearly divisive and racist, as well as the tone of Slick Willie. The reality is, HRC is a woman scorned by 2 men. Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. She never expected she would be up against a viable and tough to beat candidate as Obama. After Bill publicly humiliated her, though she has never been surprised or upset about his philandering, she likely demanded Bill pay the price of the public humiliation by using his clout to win her the White House. Almost 8 years later, Bill's clout has diminished and Hillary was never as well liked anyway. She was delusional. HRC became a bitter, angry woman, not caring anything about what she said and how it was said, and eventually many blacks, rightfully heard tones of racism. The WH was never promised to HRC, as much as she seemed to think it was her turn. To say a majority of blacks vote for Obama because he is black, is as racist as it would be sexist to say only women vote for Hillary. Why is it, blacks cannot feel they are being racially targeted? If they do, whites are quick to shoot it down and then lay criticism of the audacity of claiming racism. Why do black owe Hillary Clinton loyalty, because of Bill's time in the WH? Some blacks would even say, Bill did nothing so great that its worth giving him or his wife a huge amount of credit. This is an election. A right to vote anyway you choose, regardless of race, or gender. No one has to live with their choice and the outcome of the Administration, but the voters who cast a vote for the winner. Voting is a right.....let us exercise it as we see fit.

        The above is so vindictive and so lacking in factual material, it could pretty much qualify as hate speech.

        What is the evidence that Clinton released the Wright tapes? If she had this material, and wanted to use it, why did she wait until she was far behind? Neither of the two news sources that released the tapes, Fox and ABC, said they got them from the Clinton campaign. In fact, they said they bought the tapes from TUCC ,which was selling Wright's sermons via their website.

        "Her tone was racist" What makes you an expert on what people really mean? Are you a mindreader. Confine yourself to what people say and not what you think they said and you will be in a stronger position to debate something on the merits. Your belief that Hillary has a "racist tone" is little more than slander.

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        • 1 vote
        #6.1 - Sun May 11, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1789940,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}
        What makes you an expert on what people really mean? Are you a mindreader. Confine yourself to what people say and not what you think they said and you will be in a stronger position to debate something on the merits.

        Oh the irony. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

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        • 5 votes
        #6.2 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1789966,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
        In my opinion, it was the Clinton camp that released the Wright tapes.

        That might be your opinion but in it you couldn't be more wrong from a factual perspective. The New York Times initially raised the troublesome connection between Wright and Obama fourteen months ago where it lay mostly dormant for a year before resurfacing when ABC News purchased DVDs of Wright's sermons from the church's website.

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        #6.3 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":1789179,"authorDomain":"changeaddress2008"}

        In my opinion, John Russell's critique of how the Clintons' remarks were mischaracterized at the time of the SC primaries, by Obama's camp (AND by the media) is spot on.

        As for other criticisms in this thread, Hillary was not responsible for "privatization of petroleum reserves" or whatever other so-called sins of the past Clinton administration. That people blame Hillary for whatever her husband, the President, did in the 90s, is shameful.

        As First Lady, Hillary Clinton was instrumental behind the scenes on some issues. For instance, yes, she was invited and encouraged to participate in getting the SCHIP program through, but she was not in the position of legislating it or signing it into law, had the efforts been successful. The latter point is consistently and conveniently overlooked in discussions of Hillary Clinton as a Presidential candidate. While other examples above do not apply to Hillary Clinton's work as First Lady, the point below does apply:

        In 1997, Senator Kennedy DID give her credit for her efforts on SCHIP, according to Factcheck.org, in its article, "Giving Hillary Credit for SCHIP", published March 18, 2008, citing an AP article which contradicts the claims and positions of the Boston Globe article: (I don't know how to set off quotes in this Newsvine format. I found this by Googling "hillary childrens health care Nick Littlefield Ted Kennedy")

        FACTCHECK.ORG:

        "...Kennedy, of course, is now backing Clinton's rival, Barack Obama, for the nomination. But last year, before that endorsement, he was quoted by the Associated Press as saying something quite different, which the Globe did not note in its story:

        "Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The children's health program wouldn't be in existence today if we didn't have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue."

        In that same story, The AP's Beth Fouhy concluded, "While Kennedy is widely viewed as the driving force behind the program, by all accounts the former first lady's pressure was crucial." She quoted Nick Littlefield, who had been a senior health adviser to Kennedy, as saying, "we relied on her, worked with her and she was pivotal in encouraging the White House to do it."..." (END OF QUOTE) Note that Orrin Hatch was the co-sponsor of SCHIP.

        Factcheck validates Hillary Clinton's claim on SCHIP. This point, however, was not widely clarified by the media.

        Embedded in this article is just one very clear example of the proof of how nuance, spin, blaming Hillary for whatever perceived sins of the previous Clinton administration, and the rewriting of history were all blatantly used to disparage and discredit Hillary Clinton throughout this campaign process. Where was the media when it came to clarifying this point? Over-talking, interrupting, and "correcting" Hillary defenders in these little chat fests they called "political analysis".

        As for the history of that Civil Rights Act of 1964, legislation was originally introduced by President Kennedy in 1963. Rep. Howard Smith, a Democrat, tried blocking it in committee. President Lyndon Johnson got it through in 1964. (wikipedia) Martin Luther King devoted his life to obtaining civil rights; it was his movement that sparked the legislative initiative, but without his sacrifice and the actions of the two Presidents above, it would not have materialized.

        In the 57-second YouTube presentation, "Sen. Hillary Clinton: LBJ vs MLK", of the question that led to her response, it's clear that her response was not meant as it was subsequently characterized by the media. Remember, too, the question that prompted her response was not widely reported, but her response was contextualized by media reports in a manner inconsistent with the entire nuance of the moment. Please note that the title of that 57-second piece does not reflect accurately what happened in the video, either. There was no 'versus'.

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        Reply#7 - Sun May 11, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1789426,"authorDomain":"ccumm512"}

        So skeptic, blacks should be forever in the debt of all that has ever been elected to the office of President? White men. Believe it or not, blacks are still Americans. Blacks were born here, and in this day and age are still being treated like second class citizens, still losing out to opportunities for others who move here from Asia, or other continents. Blacks for many years never thought they would see the day a black person male or female made it this far in an election as Obama has, for the highest office in the land. So, excuse me if Kennedy, Johnson, and Clinton just happened to be the white man who passed legislation on their behalf. But, if this is the United States of America, and it is supposed to be fair and equal for all, why were blacks and women denied voting rights well after white men? Why were blacks denied voting rights, well after white men and women?

        As for Hillary doing so much as a First Lady, you can't have it both ways. Barbara and Laura Bush, Nancy Reagan and Betty Ford, and Rosalyn Carter, did plenty as first ladies. Of course, they have not lied about the dangers of that position and been caught in that lie, like Hillary has. She chides Obama for serving on a board with Weather Underground Bill Ayres, but when he chided back, Bill clinton pardoned two former members of the WU, she seemed stomped. As for the SCHIP, I recall on the news recently, that she misrepresented her authoring and actual offerings to the SCHIP plan.

        Hillary wants credit for the good things about Bill Administration, but not the bad things. She wants to change the way we vote for a nominee, only because she is losing. She wants to make Florida and Michigan count, even though they willingly violated the rules, and she even said so. We don't need a person who panders, wants to change the rules as we go along, and wants to divide and destroy a party she claims to love. That kind of ambition is deadly, and wrong.

        67% of voters say she is untruthful and not trustworthy, and she by her own mouth has proven that.
        I agree she is vetted for President, moreso than Obama, because she does as a typical politician does, lies, cheats and spins.

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        Reply#8 - Sun May 11, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1789978,"authorDomain":"uspolitics"}
        I agree she is vetted for President, moreso than Obama, because she does as a typical politician does, lies, cheats and spins.

        Claudette -- what was Obama's throwing under the bus all those Ds running against him for state Senate? What was Obama's pushing the Tribune to run a story on the "sex life" of his Democratic competitor for the US Senate, a competitor that was leading in the polls at the time, BTW? What was his throwing Wright under the bus last week ... after affirming that he could never do so back in Philadelphia?

        Obama has been running for "the next" office almost before he wins the current one. You don't get where he is without money & connections -- iow, the good old boys network. In Illinois Senate, that meant the black D leader who "gave" him prime sponsorship of a slew of bills so he would have a legislative history (until then, he had gotten no bills passed).

        Then there was this political-business-as-usual:

        2001 - Obama receives legal services contract with Illinois firm owned by Robert Blackwell, Jr. A few months later, Obama writes a letter on Illinois Senate letterhead in support of a tourism grant for a different Blackwell company. The next day, "Obama's U.S. Senate campaign received a $1,000 donation from Blackwell... In the presidential race he is credited on Obama's website with committing to raise $100,000 to $200,000 for Obama's campaign."

        In 2003, while he was state senator -- when the Ds had JUST taken control of the Illinois Senate -- David Axelrod began filming EVERY public appearance Obama made ... this gave him the footage to create the promo for Obama when he launched his presidential bid online in Jan 2007.

        See the timeline of his career

        I don't care if people support Obama because of his positions on issues, but I'm tired of being told he is holier-than-any-other politician. He ain't. It's simply the press have given him a pass. Hellsbells, this Sunday's NYT piece said not word one about how he got his state senate seat (he got ALL the opponents thrown out on legal technicality -- even the woman who was the incumbent)

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        Reply#9 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1789986,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}

        "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, that Presidents before had not even tried. But it took a President to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a President who said 'we're going to do it', and actually got it accomplished."

        I didn't particularly care about these remarks, but then I don't care too much about people's racist attitudes unless they directly affect me. However, it is pretty clear why some would be offended, despite John's bigoted assessment:

        Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson

        See? Bad. Dr. King's dream began to be realized when Dr. King began working as an activist toward his goal. You remember: marches, jail, fire hoses, assassination?

        But it took a President to get it done.

        Uh, no, see, wrong. It took a President to sign the legislation. No President would have signed the legislation if there wasn't a compelling social imperative to do so, a social imperative inspired by Dr. King and others.

        the power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a President

        Oh so wrong. The power of that dream was evident daily in the actions of the activists working towards its realization. You remember: marches, fire hoses, jail, assassination? None of those things would have happened if not for the power of Dr. King's dream making a real impact on people's lives.

        You know, now that I lay this out like this, it turns out I am a bit more offended by this statement than I was at the time.

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        • 3 votes
        Reply#10 - Sun May 11, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1790053,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

        Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson

        See? Bad. Dr. King's dream began to be realized when Dr. King began working as an activist toward his goal. You remember: marches, jail, fire hoses, assassination?

        Depends on how you define 'realized'. You just said "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when Dr. King began working as an activist toward his goal." The beginning of work is usually not described as a realization of it's purpose, the end part of the work is . It is not merely semantics, since you are impugning Clinton based on your questionable interpretation of what she said.

        But it took a President to get it done.

        Uh, no, see, wrong. It took a President to sign the legislation. No President would have signed the legislation if there wasn't a compelling social imperative to do so, a social imperative inspired by Dr. King and others.

        This is where you really misunderstand what she meant. Lyndon Johnson did not just 'sign the legislation', and Hillary Clinton knows this. Johnson was the driving force behind this legislative initiative, he gave major speeches on the subject of civil rights, twisted many arms of recalcitrant Senators and Congressman, and put his personal reputation on the line to achive this landmark legal ratification of the basic civil rights of all Americans, most particularly blacks who had been denied these protections in the past. Again, you misinterpret what Clinton said, which is my point. Barack Obama was well aware there was nothing wrong with what she said but he permitted , for political purposes, a perception to emerge that this comment was part of a Clintonian plan to use race in the campaign. This was very duplicitous, since Clinton's desire to speak on the topic at all derived from her understanding that Obama was beginning to use race as a magnet to entice a bloc vote for himself among blacks. Obama had a section on his website in which he laid out the reasons why he was more qualified than Clinton to represent African Americans as their President. Perhaps you don't see that as an open appeal for a racial vote, but many people including clinton would and did.

        the power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a President

        Oh so wrong. The power of that dream was evident daily in the actions of the activists working towards its realization. You remember: marches, fire hoses, jail, assassination? None of those things would have happened if not for the power of Dr. King's dream making a real impact on people's lives.

        You know, now that I lay this out like this, it turns out I am a bit more offended by this statement than I was at the time.

        This one is just a matter of semantics. What you would call the reality of the dream and she would call the reality of the dream may be expressed in two different ways, in any case her comments are not dismissive of anyone, certainly not Dr. King and the civil rights era icons.

        What you had here are the 'usual suspects' in the grievance community making a big deal out of a teeny weeny deal, as they often do. To have taken these few sentences from Clinton as use them as a starting point for a five month long demonization of her as a race baiter, and even a racist, is a crime against fair elections.

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        • 2 votes
        #10.1 - Mon May 12, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
        {"commentId":1792192,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}

        O.K., valid points. However, perhaps it is you who is misinterpreting.

        At the very least, isn't it presumptuous to say 'Senator Obama should have known what Senator Clinton meant?'

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        • 1 vote
        #10.2 - Mon May 12, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":1790086,"authorDomain":"dbourdeau"}

        john Russell and excellent article, I agree with so many issues you are talking about. I also feel Obama used the race issue, and planned this from the start. Check out my site when you have time, I have an interesting article on Obama.

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#11 - Mon May 12, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
        {"commentId":1792021,"authorDomain":"uspolitics"}

        I'm not speaking to the assertion that the Obama camp started the broohaha over LBJ/King -- I wasn't paying attention at the time because it was the politics of the personal and irrelevant, IMO. But the fact is that LBJ had a MAJOR role in bringing into law the policies that MLK was pushing for in the streets.

        King could not have done it alone -- neither could have LBJ. After all, there had been attempts in the 50s to get similar legislation passed, to no avail.

        Presidents help shape the Congressional legislative agenda as well as public opinion ... that then shapes Congressional votes.

        When Johnson assumed office after Kennedy's assassination, he made passage of the [Civil Rights] bill, introduced by JFK in June of 1963, a priority. In LBJ's words, "no memorial or eulogy could more eloquently honor President Kennedy's memory than the earliest possible passage of the civil rights bill for which he fought."

        Then there's this from Bill Moyers, who was LBJ's press secretary from 65-67:

        As the pressure intensified on each side, Johnson wanted King to wait a little longer and give him a chance to bring Congress around by hook or crook. But Martin Luther King said his people had already waited too long. He talked about the murders and lynchings, the churches set on fire, children brutalized, the law defied, men and women humiliated, their lives exhausted, their hearts broken. LBJ listened, as intently as I ever saw him listen. He listened, and then he put his hand on Martin Luther King's shoulder, and said, in effect: "OK. You go out there Dr. King and keep doing what you're doing, and make it possible for me to do the right thing." Lyndon Johnson was no racist but he had not been a civil rights hero, either. Now, as president, he came down on the side of civil disobedience, believing it might quicken America's conscience until the cry for justice became irresistible, enabling him to turn Congress. So King marched and Johnson maneuvered and Congress folded.

        And one more citation:

        Johnson and King engaged in a series of negotiations that led to the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, but this spirit of cooperation was irrevocably damaged in 1967 when King made his public statement against the War in Vietnam...

        Under Johnson, two landmark pieces of civil rights legislation were passed: the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which outlawed discrimination in public accommodations, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which provided for federal enforcement of voter registration and outlawed literacy tests. King did not give Johnson overwhelming credit for the legislation, stating that these resolutions were "written in the streets" by demonstrators....

        A landmark of Johnson's presidency was the Great Society program. Initiated by Johnson in January 1965, this legislation aimed to alleviate poverty through programs for educational improvements, urban renewal, the development of impoverished areas, and crime prevention. Johnson believed this program would ultimately benefit the black community, but he told King and other civil rights leaders that he would have difficulty passing voting rights legislation. King disagreed and urged Johnson to make voting rights a priority.

        Later that year, in a speech given at Howard University, Johnson restated his commitment to the struggle for civil rights when he outlined a new direction for his administration: "It is not enough to just open the gates of opportunity," he said. "All our citizens must have the ability to walk through the gates. This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result."

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        Reply#12 - Mon May 12, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1792220,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}

        I don't think anyone is saying LBJ's efforts weren't important, but to say "it took a President to get it done" seems dismissive.

        It took much more than a President to get it done. The truth is, without King, Kennedy, and LBJ, we would be living in a very different country, and the truth is, comparisons of the importance and efficacy of of contributions made by individuals in sensitive arenas like race relations are ill-advised and often "unfortunate."

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        • 1 vote
        #12.1 - Mon May 12, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1792425,"authorDomain":"uspolitics"}

        I'm not arguing with you, James. My memory is John's position is that the first stone was thrown by the Obama campaign at Clinton -- re MLK -- and her remark was in response.

        SC was UGLY. There were people in SC, on the ground, using the race card to encourage people to vote for Obama, according to folks I know who live there. I have no first hand knowledge, because I wasn't there. I don't know if it was or was not sanctioned by the campaign (I don't recall it ever being "un-sanctioned").

        "Race" (which is a SOCIAL construct) remains an issue in this country -- but IMO it's as much to do with power relationships as skin color.

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          #12.2 - Mon May 12, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1792765,"authorDomain":"mentalshift"}
          My memory is John's position is that the first stone was thrown by the Obama campaign at Clinton -- re MLK -- and her remark was in response.

          I really don't believe that is the case. There are many rumors about 'private' efforts to smear Clinton, but no real evidence. If there are any facts to the contrary, I would love to see them.

          I am sure SC was ugly. Like it or not, some issues are sensitive. Some people don't want to see a chocolate(candy) Jesus, a cartoon Mohammed, or a burning flag. This only highlights the ill-advised nature of her comments.

          I agree with you on the concept of 'race.'

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          • 1 vote
          #12.3 - Mon May 12, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1793829,"authorDomain":"uspolitics"}

          I find it hard to swallow a characterization of her comments in the manner of that list. Not Even Close.

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            #12.4 - Tue May 13, 2008 2:03 AM EDT
            {"commentId":1794221,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

            The reaction to Hillary Clinton's 'MLK-LBJ comment' was very instructive about the state of race relations in this country. Let's call it a 'Rev. Wright' moment.

            I would expect that if you had polled TUCC just after Clinton's remarks , the proportion of people who thought Clinton had 'disrespected MLK, and them, would have been similar to the percentage of black votes for Obama in the primaries - almost everyone. It isn't difficult to reach this conclusion when Wright's ministry and TUCC are so mired in an 'us vs. them' mindset. Us being black and them being white.

            Although the entirety of American blacks certainly do not fall into the category of TUCC, there are enough of them, with varying degrees of ingrained grievance, to take an innocent comment like Clinton's and make it into a hot racial issue. What was so disappointing in this instance was that when Barack Obama had an opportunity to put Clinton's remark in a proper and fair perspective, he chose to side with the race instigators.

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              #12.5 - Tue May 13, 2008 7:23 AM EDT
              {"commentId":1794961,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}
              What was so disappointing in this instance was that when Barack Obama had an opportunity to put Clinton's remark in a proper and fair perspective, he chose to side with the race instigators.

              John, not only has this characterization of Obama's remarks been questioned in this very forum, it has been REFUTED hands down. It is wrong, demonstrably wrong. You quoted Obama's comment above, and it is entirely neutral. As in, he stays out of it. It is not his job to campaign for Clinton.

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              • 2 votes
              #12.6 - Tue May 13, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
              {"commentId":1795554,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}

              The comment is absolutely not neutral. Obama knows that what Clinton said was perfectly acceptable, yet he PRETENDED that perhaps there was justification in 'some' being offended about it. He did what he has done throughout, implied that there may have been a motivation to Clinton's statement which is not discernible through what she actually said.

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                #12.7 - Tue May 13, 2008 1:20 PM EDT
                {"commentId":1795655,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

                John

                If the comment were what you are making it to be, it would read like this instead

                She made an unfortunate offensive and ignorant remark about Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson," he said. "I haven't remarked on it. And she offended some folks black Americans and other sensible people who thought because she diminished dismissed the role about King and the civil rights movement.

                See the difference? The struck out words are neutral, the green ones make it non-neutral? In fact, had he said "offensive" "because" or "dismissed" where they are in green above, it would have qualified for your interpretation, but as it was said, it does not.

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                • 2 votes
                #12.8 - Tue May 13, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":1794707,"authorDomain":"bondibox"}

                I'm growing weary of the manufactured outrage coming from your column. So I won't even attempt to dissect your specious arguments.

                Except for this:

                Clinton's comment about Martin Luther Ling and LBJ was perfectly acceptable as a response to the fact that Barack Obama's web site was specifically appealing to African Americans to vote for him.

                Where / How did Obama's web site specifically appeal to blacks?

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                • 1 vote
                Reply#13 - Tue May 13, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
                {"commentId":1851066,"authorDomain":"dtagair"}

                It is clear that an activist cannot pass a law therefore he must have the support of a politician to make real change by making laws. You could be the best activist ever but with Bush as President you are not going to get any real change. So if President Johnston was not for civil rights and did not support civil rights laws they would not have passed. This is no insult to MLK. His activism enlightened a lot of people
                but if Wallce was President how mcuh progress do you think there would have been?

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